# Shipment basics - request for input to "The book" **URL:** \ **Category:** User\ **Created:** [October 5, 2023, 11:39am UTC](https://discuss.tryton.org/t/shipment-basics-request-for-input-to-the-book/6569 "2023-10-05T11:39:20Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 9\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![herrdeh](https://discuss-cdn.tryton.org/user_avatar/discuss.tryton.org/herrdeh/32/821_2.png) [@herrdeh](https://discuss.tryton.org/u/herrdeh)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2023, 3:30pm UTC](https://discuss.tryton.org/t/shipment-basics-request-for-input-to-the-book/6569/21 "2023-10-13T15:30:35Z")
Sorry to be a little picky, but let’s first check wording: I regard - **carrier** as the company which moves parcels and packages - **carrier service** as physical moving of packages - **carrier product** as the virtual “product” which is used in Tryton to bill the carrier service. Can we agree on these? Then, to say it more precisely than above: In `menu > Carrier > Configuration > Selection`, I can set up “From country”, “to country” and “carrier”. But in **carrier** , I can only choose **carrier products**. That does not make sense to me. Such, my idea of a inappropriate labelling came into existence. ---
**Author:** ![dave](https://discuss-cdn.tryton.org/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/d/ee7513/32.png) [@dave](https://discuss.tryton.org/u/dave)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2023, 6:14pm UTC](https://discuss.tryton.org/t/shipment-basics-request-for-input-to-the-book/6569/22 "2023-10-13T18:14:12Z")
Maybe a simple concrete example would be useful (to disagree over, and to correct where I am wrong 😉)? > _Parties \> Parties_: > > - `Name`: Deutsche Post > - `Name`: UPS > > _Products \> Products_: > > - `Name`: Standard | `Type`: Service | `Cost Price`: 3.99 | `List Price`: 3.99 > - `Name`: 2 kg Paket | `Type`: Service | `Cost Price`: 5.49 | `List Price`: 5.49 > - `Name`: 5 kg Paket International | `Type`: Service | `Cost Price`: 26.99 | `List Price`: 26.99 > > _Carrier \> Carriers_: > > - `Party`: UPS | `Carrier Product`: Standard > - `Party`: Deutsche Post | `Carrier Product`: 2 kg Paket > - `Party`: Deutsche Post | `Carrier Product`: 5 kg Paket International > > Then in the _Inventory & Stock \> Shipments \> Customer Shipments_ you might want to set (for example): > > - `Carrier`: Deutsche Post - 2kg Paket So, if the above is a valid current setup **and** , if I was being pedantic, **and** we were forgetting what things are called at the moment, then I would use definitions of: - **carrier** the company that moves the parcel and packages (e.g. Deutsche Post) - **service** a specific service (offered by a carrier) to move parcels and packages at an agreed price (e.g. 2 kg Paket with delivery cost 5.49) - **carrier service** a combination of one **service** offered by one **carrier** to move parcels and packages at an agreed price (e.g. Deutsche Post - 5kg Paket). Following on from that, then the following changes would make sense: - _Carrier \> Carrier_ should be _Carrier \> Carrier Services_ - In _Inventory & Stock \> Shipments \> Customer Shipments_ the `Carrier` field would be `Carrier Service` (e.g. Deutsche Post - 2kg Paket) > [@herrdeh](#): > > Then, to say it more precisely than above: In > `menu > Carrier > Configuration > Selection`, > I can set up “From country”, “to country” and “carrier”. So in the _Carrier \> Configuration \> Selection_: - The `Carrier` field would then be called `Carrier Service`. And, in here you might then have lots of records, including: - `From Country`: Germany, - `To Country`: Great Britain, and - `Carrier Service`: Deutsche Post - 5kg Paket International. Not sure if that is helpful, (correct?), or not! 🤔 ---
**Author:** ![dotbit](https://discuss-cdn.tryton.org/user_avatar/discuss.tryton.org/dotbit/32/2093_2.png) [@dotbit](https://discuss.tryton.org/u/dotbit)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2023, 9:32am UTC](https://discuss.tryton.org/t/shipment-basics-request-for-input-to-the-book/6569/23 "2023-10-14T09:32:32Z")
> [@dave](#): > > **carrier service** a combination of one **service** offered by one **carrier** to move parcels and packages at an agreed price (e.g. Deutsche Post - 5kg Paket). Makes sense for me. I never considered the possibility to create two carrier records for two different package weights because we have stock\_shipment\_cost\_weight. The carrier service naming would make it more intuitive. ---
**Author:** ![herrdeh](https://discuss-cdn.tryton.org/user_avatar/discuss.tryton.org/herrdeh/32/821_2.png) [@herrdeh](https://discuss.tryton.org/u/herrdeh)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2023, 10:13am UTC](https://discuss.tryton.org/t/shipment-basics-request-for-input-to-the-book/6569/24 "2023-10-14T10:13:05Z")
Thank you very much for taking care. You know, I see my role as the advocate of beginners. For those (I include myself), this things really do matter, and it’s important to be as clear as possible. So - do you agree that I should file an issue on this? One more question: As mentioned above, I found this mistake as well at - `sales` and - `menu > inventory&stocks > shipments > customers shipments` I do not find it at supplier and internal shipments, but maybe because I did not install the modules necessary for handling incoming or internal shipments. So where else should we search for this mistake? Cheers, Wolf ---
**Author:** ![herrdeh](https://discuss-cdn.tryton.org/user_avatar/discuss.tryton.org/herrdeh/32/821_2.png) [@herrdeh](https://discuss.tryton.org/u/herrdeh)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2023, 10:16am UTC](https://discuss.tryton.org/t/shipment-basics-request-for-input-to-the-book/6569/25 "2023-10-19T10:16:39Z")
Thank you to everybody who contributed. To sum up the very basic scenario, as far as I understood: - install `trytond-sale-shipment-cost and trytond-stock-shipment-cost` - create parties of your carriers - make sure that in you own company, your warehouse (?) and the customers in question, the “country” field is set - in menu \> products, create shipment products, type “service” and “salable” - set up menu \> carrier \> carrier, to turn those “shipment products” created above into shipment services by attributing “shipment products” to carriers - in menu \> carrier \> configuration \> selection, you can limit the selection you get in sale. So it does not matter if you do not fill the “from country” and “to country” fields - you just get a very long list in sales. - in menu \> sales \> configuration \> configuration, you can select your default _sale shipment method_ and _sale shipment cost method_; those can later on be changed in `sale` and `customer shipment`. - When now creating a sale, you find the field “carrier” (which IMHO should be “shipment service”.). Here you can preselect a shipment service. - In menu \> inventory&stock \> Shipments \> Customer Shipments, you can change the shipment service before finishing the shipment. This choice will then be billed on your customer’s invoice. Let me know if I got something wrong or I’m missing essentials. Some of you may regard this kind of HOWTO as childish or petty. But please accept that simple-minded people as I am do need this kind of instruction. And I’m absolutely convinced that Tryton would be a much bigger thing if we had this kind of instruction for the main processes. Well. We now have some in German. (: Cheers, Wolf ---
**Author:** ![dotbit](https://discuss-cdn.tryton.org/user_avatar/discuss.tryton.org/dotbit/32/2093_2.png) [@dotbit](https://discuss.tryton.org/u/dotbit)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2023, 3:38pm UTC](https://discuss.tryton.org/t/shipment-basics-request-for-input-to-the-book/6569/26 "2023-10-19T15:38:59Z")
> [@herrdeh](#): > > in menu \> sales \> configuration \> configuration, you can select _sale shipment method_ and _sale shipment cost method_. This is where you set the default shipment cost method for new sales. You can change the shipment cost method on each sale manually from the Other Info tab. ---
**Author:** ![ced](https://discuss-cdn.tryton.org/user_avatar/discuss.tryton.org/ced/32/1237_2.png) [@ced](https://discuss.tryton.org/u/ced)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2023, 5:00pm UTC](https://discuss.tryton.org/t/shipment-basics-request-for-input-to-the-book/6569/27 "2023-11-07T17:00:22Z")
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**Author:** ![ced](https://discuss-cdn.tryton.org/user_avatar/discuss.tryton.org/ced/32/1237_2.png) [@ced](https://discuss.tryton.org/u/ced)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2023, 5:01pm UTC](https://discuss.tryton.org/t/shipment-basics-request-for-input-to-the-book/6569/28 "2023-11-07T17:01:50Z")
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